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| Author: | MichNS [ Fri Mar 30, 2018 11:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Anyone experimenting with negative harmony? |
Saw a thread from 2017 talking about Jacob Collier that mentioned this. Just received an e-mail from Stickist Steve Osburn wanting to look into this in our weekly group guitar class at his store. I had to do some additional searching outside of what Steve sent to grasp what this is, but it looks like something that a Stick would be useful in dissecting. I'm thinking the guitar might make it harder to appreciate what's going on if you say, play the normal major scale or chord on one side and the negative harmony version on the other. Haven't tried anything yet, just diving into this now to prepare for next Thursday. However, not sure it would be a good idea to play both chords at the same time, might make an odd polychord. But the straight fourth/fifths tuning on the Stick might make it easier to create the different chord or scale progressions than doing it on a guitar, or it might not matter at all. One vid I checked out looks like the best thing to do is create a chart of the various major/minor to negative harmony chords or scales on paper first. Thoughts on how to start this? |
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| Author: | The_Afro_Circus [ Sat Mar 31, 2018 6:45 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Anyone experimenting with negative harmony? |
I think I missed that thread. What's negative harmony? |
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| Author: | AnDroiD [ Sat Mar 31, 2018 7:08 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Anyone experimenting with negative harmony? |
The_Afro_Circus wrote: I think I missed that thread. What's negative harmony? Yoko Ono? |
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| Author: | MichNS [ Sat Mar 31, 2018 7:39 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Anyone experimenting with negative harmony? |
Look up jzzvboven’s thread about Jacob Collier. I have the general idea of how iit works, but I’m still looking for more iinfo and haven’t finished watching one YouTube vid that someone did. It’s not an original idea from Jacob, but rather something ignored over the years until Herby Hancock used it. Now Jacob has reignited the concept. |
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| Author: | March Hare [ Sat Mar 31, 2018 7:41 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Anyone experimenting with negative harmony? |
https://music.stackexchange.com/questio ... rogression https://www.quora.com/What-is-negative-harmony-in-music https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3mBFACpK0o |
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| Author: | john.e [ Sat Mar 31, 2018 10:57 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Anyone experimenting with negative harmony? |
March Hare wrote: https://www.quora.com/What-is-negative-harmony-in-music I like the third and fourth answers in this thread, near the bottom. If you can find an old copy of "Advanced Modern Harmony" by Dick Grove, check out his Grid concept. The charts (grids) are really dense and hard to digest but are loaded with harmonic possibilities along these lines. |
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| Author: | March Hare [ Sat Mar 31, 2018 12:03 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Anyone experimenting with negative harmony? |
john.e wrote: March Hare wrote: https://www.quora.com/What-is-negative-harmony-in-music I like the third and fourth answers in this thread, near the bottom. If you can find an old copy of "Advanced Modern Harmony" by Dick Grove, check out his Grid concept. The charts (grids) are really dense and hard to digest but are loaded with harmonic possibilities along these lines. Yeah, I chuckled when I read the phrase "You can't just put words together and make it a thing....." |
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| Author: | MichNS [ Sat Mar 31, 2018 1:58 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Anyone experimenting with negative harmony? |
March Hare wrote: https://music.stackexchange.com/questions/56346/correct-process-for-deriving-the-mirror-or-negative-harmony-of-a-progression https://www.quora.com/What-is-negative-harmony-in-music https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3mBFACpK0o That was the video I found that I haven't finished watching yet, thanks for the circle of fifths related links. |
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| Author: | sagehalo [ Sat Mar 31, 2018 2:56 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Anyone experimenting with negative harmony? |
So negative or "symmetric" harmony is just a translation method from a standard progression to a less common one. At some point does it just become reflexive to use the translated chords and not consider it negative? Are there are other translation techniques? |
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| Author: | March Hare [ Sat Mar 31, 2018 9:11 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Anyone experimenting with negative harmony? |
My take on this is that this is a process to help generate new and unusual progressions. The new progressions should work in their own way because they are translated from progressions that had a relationship in standard harmony. Theoretically, you can come up with similar processes of your own devising and experiment with the results (and many musicians have done just this over the centuries). Create new "rules" and then implement them (an example of altrenative rules would be quartal harmony etc. ) A well-thought out process (or rules) could generate well-thought out and interesting results; sloppy or haphazard process would.....well.....you get the idea..... I read a book on Bach's "Musical Offering" years ago and it described how that piece was based upon one melody that he then mutated in any number of ways (e.g. playing the melody backwards, playing the melody with inverted intervals, playing the melody but skipping every other note before proceeding through the remaining notes, etc.). These mutations resulted in the various movements of the piece. Interestingly, this anticipated similar moves that were executed by 12-tone serialists in the 20th century.... |
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