Mode 5 of Harmonic minor, I was always taught that it's more of a "Mixolydian" mode than it is a "Phrygian" one, but I get the naming convention... Mike Stern and Frank Gambale call it one thing while Satriani calls it another... Mixolydian b9 b13, or Phrygian dominant, what's your preference? And have you ever used it? I know I have... (a lot)
Mode 5 of Melodic minor (That is, Jazz minor, or "real" Melodic minor where the scale ascends and descends the same 12b34567) is sometimes called a "Hindu" scale, but really, it's a Mixolydian b6. In my mind it makes a lot more sense to use that naming convention as it is played over a dom7, (Mixolydian = Dominant 7) but hey, all good... I'm quite familiar with that one and I have used it a bunch also...
So I'm curious as to what your preferences are in regards to naming conventions...
Joined: Sat Mar 29, 2008 8:53 am Posts: 1518 Location: Seattle, WAq
Re: Mixolydian b9 b13 or Phrygian Dominant
Post a video demonstrating, please! excellent topic. I bet Steve A has something to say about this as well!
Sat Oct 21, 2017 8:22 am
Lee Vatip
Site Donor
Joined: Mon Dec 24, 2007 10:06 am Posts: 3241
Re: Mixolydian b9 b13 or Phrygian Dominant
I don't know about Steve A but the mode you're implying is actually called Freygish. A harmonic minor with the 5th tone as root E F G# A B C D Lots of ethnic music Spanish Malaguena style progressions , like two chromatic major chords are ideal ll: E l F :ll These two chords are outlined within the scale E G# B and F A C Because it sounds Spanish it's mistaken for Phrygian Steve A?
Sun Oct 22, 2017 7:28 pm
greg
Multiple Donor
Joined: Sat Dec 22, 2007 3:07 pm Posts: 7088 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia, USA
Re: Mixolydian b9 b13 or Phrygian Dominant
Jayesskerr wrote:
:D
Mode 5 of Harmonic minor, I was always taught that it's more of a "Mixolydian" mode than it is a "Phrygian" one, but I get the naming convention... Mike Stern and Frank Gambale call it one thing while Satriani calls it another... Mixolydian b9 b13, or Phrygian dominant, what's your preference? And have you ever used it? I know I have... (a lot)
Mode 5 of Melodic minor (That is, Jazz minor, or "real" Melodic minor where the scale ascends and descends the same 12b34567) is sometimes called a "Hindu" scale, but really, it's a Mixolydian b6. In my mind it makes a lot more sense to use that naming convention as it is played over a dom7, (Mixolydian = Dominant 7) but hey, all good... I'm quite familiar with that one and I have used it a bunch also...
So I'm curious as to what your preferences are in regards to naming conventions...
I would call the first one the "5th degree of harmonic minor". This scale is what you use when playing over minor ii-V-i progressions, for the ii and V. One easy way to learn it is by altering the Phrygian mode (raise the minor 3rd up to a major 3rd).
If you know your three-finger scales (and you should ) then this is super easy, as the fingering does not change only the placement....
You can find the fingerings for the three three-fingered Phrygian scales on pages 6-5, 6-6 and 6-7 of the Stick Book...
Joined: Sat Dec 22, 2007 8:01 am Posts: 1767 Location: North Haven, Connecticut USA
Re: Mixolydian b9 b13 or Phrygian Dominant
Ahhh Phrygian Major mode.... very cool scale b2 b6 b7 makes it great on sus4 b9 b#5 chord
A good alternative to a don7slt chord
Mixolydian b6 another goodie
Brett
Sun Oct 22, 2017 9:40 pm
Jzzb8ovn
Master Contributor
Joined: Sun Jun 14, 2015 5:11 am Posts: 1367 Location: Guelph, Ontario, Canada
Re: Mixolydian b9 b13 or Phrygian Dominant
I love these threads. If you are into cool modes and such check out tessetura pro. It's an app that will blow your minds if you are looking for stuff like this. Enegmatic scales. Messina truncated scales. It's a cool app and works great for using in arranging and soloing. And practicing patterns.
Joined: Mon Feb 22, 2010 12:42 pm Posts: 2536 Location: Jersey
Re: Mixolydian b9 b13 or Phrygian Dominant
Wowee Zowee. I use the Phryghtening Dominant Scale. Zappa used it alot. (here we get silly. Lee? Other Chromatic Aberrations?)
_________________ Peace, Marty "The present day composer refuses to die" -Edgard Varese
Mon Oct 23, 2017 10:43 am
jtkmus1c
Member
Joined: Wed Oct 09, 2013 4:00 pm Posts: 42 Location: Boston, MA
Re: Mixolydian b9 b13 or Phrygian Dominant
My teachers have generally referred to this as Phrygian Dominant. I've heard "Spanish Phrygian" as well, but I personally think that name is kind of silly
Side note, I've REALLY been liking this scale but with the natural 7 lately. It's got a really neat coloring to it, although it's admittedly a bit more difficult to find good context for.
Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 0 guests
You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot post attachments in this forum