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I agree that it can be difficult to have other instruments play nice with Stick. But why not use all 6-ish (I think?) octaves of range? :mrgreen:

And regarding what you mentioned about using amp sims: I'm heading down that road currently. Personally, I like it, and it's allowing me to downsize my rig considerably for space considerations in our condo.

Last year I found a great product called Destructor by Blue Cat, and I ended up getting quite a few other Blue Cat products as well. Destructor appears to be an "amp modeler" on the surface, but in reality, it's highly dynamic, customizable wave shaper/compressor that emulates guitars and cabinets with perceptual modeling, rather than impulse responses. Consequently, it sounds awesome (imo) with Stick.

Once my new PA speaker arrives I'll post up some SoundCloud files to show what kind of tones I can get with it.


Well, if you are getting paid to play with a group, and there's a bass player in the group, you may not want to step on his toes unless of course you plan on not playing with that person again... All I'm saying is that the bigger the ensemble, the more consideration that needs to be given to each player's role within.

All good, whatever works... (remember, I am nobody)


I am also nobody, the feeling is mutual. :)

My comment was mostly joking, I realize there are situations when it's better to stay in the higher registers. Like when there's already a bass player nearby.

I've wondered about taking my Stick to a beginning jazz ensemble course at the local junior college. Flash back to my twenties in college for the first time, was actually the first place I saw a Stick in person. A guy was bringing his Stick with him to his various music classes.

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When were you attending college?

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Well, I've made bunches of CDs and videos, many with bass and melody recorded simultaneously, and, unless you are tracking a heavily distorted melody sound, I can't think of a reason to use a noise gate on the tracking side of things. You can always gate things after the fact, and much ore precisely, if needed.

A good pre-amp in front of your DAW, like the StepBAout, will allow you to shape your tone nicely, which really helps prevent unwanted hissing you can get from applying eq to a track that's already been laid down, especially one that has a lot of compressiion on it.

If you have a PASV-4, try rolling off the low end on the melody track (most DAWs have a high-pass filter on each channel), this will eliminate any crosstalk you might encounter. Crosstalk on the Stickup is in the treble zone, and can be largely avoided if you are running your instrument into a properly matched input impedance.

Again, here the StapABout excels because the treble ed only boosts the "atttack" or atriculation, it's not a shelving eq like most treble controls, except when cutting, then it is a shelving eq.

Ask yourself how the Stick's full-range signal will compete with the other sounds in your mix, and try to give each sound an eq focus. This is best done by cutting unwanted frequencies, rather than boosting desired frequencies...

My 2 cents, or so...

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Well, I've made bunches of CDs and videos, many with bass and melody recorded simultaneously, and, unless you are tracking a heavily distorted melody sound, I can't think of a reason to use a noise gate on the tracking side of things. You can always gate things after the fact, and much ore precisely, if needed.

A good pre-amp in front of your DAW, like the StepBAout, will allow you to shape your tone nicely, which really helps prevent unwanted hissing you can get from applying eq to a track that's already been laid down, especially one that has a lot of compressiion on it.

If you have a PASV-4, try rolling off the low end on the melody track (most DAWs have a high-pass filter on each channel), this will eliminate any crosstalk you might encounter. Crosstalk on the Stickup is in the treble zone, and can be largely avoided if you are running your instrument into a properly matched input impedance.

Again, here the StapABout excels because the treble ed only boosts the "atttack" or atriculation, it's not a shelving eq like most treble controls, except when cutting, then it is a shelving eq.

Ask yourself how the Stick's full-range signal will compete with the other sounds in your mix, and try to give each sound an eq focus. This is best done by cutting unwanted frequencies, rather than boosting desired frequencies...

My 2 cents, or so...


All very useful, thanks Greg.

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I guess I better clarify my response...

I DO use a noise gate/suppressor as required on my patches, and it clears out any unwanted noise whether I am at a gig or tracking at a studio. Noise is noise, and I don't like it. Sometimes I live with it, but I don't like it. I don't always use my Boss GT100 units, sometimes I use an AxeFXII, L6 Helix, sometimes direct into an Apogee Ensemble, sometimes a microphone. Whatever.

So for me, noise suppression/gating is always a consideration, especially when dealing with other instruments and the noise they bring - it all adds up. I tend to use EQ subtractively, and I don't process anything during the recording process - I will gate/compress/process after I track. Even for gained out stuff, I would rather re-amp and then process as required keeping the initial tracks 'as-is' (clean and dry).

So yeah, If you hate the bleed, gate it out. Easy as that. If it's not an issue, don't.

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The_Afro_Circus wrote:
When were you attending college?

About a decade ago.

Not a spring chicken anymore, but not quite an old guy yet. :mrgreen:

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Oh man, was it in NY?

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The_Afro_Circus wrote:
Oh man, was it in NY?

Nope, West Coast boy over here. Northern California at the time.

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Ah gotcha, very cool

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