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Where do you begin to learn playing phrases in triplets over a bass that is in straight eighths etc..

Am I missing something here or is this hard to accomplish?

I'm struggling with counting this or even visualizing where the bass notes fall?


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Where do you begin to learn playing phrases in triplets over a bass that is in straight eighths etc..

Am I missing something here or is this hard to accomplish?

I'm struggling with counting this or even visualizing where the bass notes fall?

I worked on this with my daughter's drum teacher. There is a common trick to learning this. He had me sit in a chair and slap my hands on my knees. Use this pattern.

Slap your knees with:
1. Hands Together
2. Right Hand
3. Left Hand
4. Right Hand
Start again at 1. and repeat.

At first don't worry about the actual timing, just get the sequence correct. Start as slowly as you need to and slowly increase speed. After a while your brain will naturally smooth each hand out to a consistent rhythm. You will be thinking "Together, right, left, right, together, right, left, right, etc." But, someone watching you will be seeing the left hand beating in 2 and the right hand in 3.

Once you get really comfortable with 2 and 3 you can expand to 3 and 4. I'm playing a Pat Metheny tunes that's in 3/4 but has some measures where the melody is in 4. It's been a long path but it's really fun now. If you want I could probably make a quick video demonstrating this.

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Kinda like this; what you do is first think of a triplet subdivision for a quarter note pulse. That's what's on top. So, that could be your LH playing quarter notes while you think tripolet-tripolet etc.


Tri po let Tri po let Tri po let Tri po Let

Your right hand hits on Tri let and po

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Agree with the above.
For me I think of "Hot Cup of Tea" (i'm a Brit!)

Hot = both hands - quarter note
Cup = the hand that is part of the 3 - eighth note
of = the hand that is part of the 2 - eighth note
Tea = the hand that is part of the 3 again - quarter note

I read on a recent thread about hand independence actually being either both hands playing a note together or some rhythm combination between the two hands. That is the perfect approach, not thinking of it as hands working independently from each other. By thinking of a single rhythm that combines both hands playing simultaneously OR alternating in a determined rhythm one can get the 'independence' sound.
We use the term independence but in reality the hands work as one to create a rhythm so by strictly hands do not work 'independently'

Attached is a little pdf worksheet I have my students use to help them manipulate different meter groupings. It would work great on a stick....
It has 3v4, 4v3, 5v4, 5v3, 7v3, 7v4


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Post Re: Triplets over straight beat?
"Del Mar" from the Greg Howard Songbook has an exercise before it that gets a little deeper into this.

http://www.stick.com/instruction/books/greghowardsong/

in case you are interested...

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Great stuff guys! Thanks.


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pwrightyp wrote:
Attachment:
Cross Rhythms worksheet.pdf
Agree with the above.
For me I think of "Hot Cup of Tea" (i'm a Brit!)

Hot = both hands - quarter note
Cup = the hand that is part of the 3 - eighth note
of = the hand that is part of the 2 - eighth note
Tea = the hand that is part of the 3 again - quarter note

I read on a recent thread about hand independence actually being either both hands playing a note together or some rhythm combination between the two hands. That is the perfect approach, not thinking of it as hands working independently from each other. By thinking of a single rhythm that combines both hands playing simultaneously OR alternating in a determined rhythm one can get the 'independence' sound.
We use the term independence but in reality the hands work as one to create a rhythm so by strictly hands do not work 'independently'

Attached is a little pdf worksheet I have my students use to help them manipulate different meter groupings. It would work great on a stick....
It has 3v4, 4v3, 5v4, 5v3, 7v3, 7v4


Awesome, thanks man! You're the best!

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pwrightyp wrote:
I read on a recent thread about hand independence actually being either both hands playing a note together or some rhythm combination between the two hands. That is the perfect approach, not thinking of it as hands working independently from each other. By thinking of a single rhythm that combines both hands playing simultaneously OR alternating in a determined rhythm one can get the 'independence' sound.
We use the term independence but in reality the hands work as one to create a rhythm so by strictly hands do not work 'independently'
That's so awesome! Jayesskerr has started calling it "Sink's Law of Two-Hand Independence," and more accurate would probably be "Sink's Oversimplification of Two-Hand Independence," but his title sounds better. I think you've explained the idea the most eloquently that I've seen! Allow me to steal your explanation of my Law! (It's more of a guideline than a law--arggghh, me matey!--and it's an old idea (and see Greg's examples) that seems really simple if you don't think of it as two unconnected lines in two separate hands--just a series of two-handed chords. Not easy; just simple! :ugeek: ) Cheers!

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I discovered a great metronome program online, called "Bounce Metronome" It has a great poly rhythmic section in it that will do what you're looking for

http://bouncemetronome.com/

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