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 Back and forth from hi bass 4th to standard tuning 
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Post Back and forth from hi bass 4th to standard tuning
Just in case I would like to go back and forth between
Hi bass 4th to standard tuning.
What would you suggest?
Having standard tuning strings , and retuning to hi bass 4th
Or vice versa?!
Any special setup needed?

Of course I’m taking about bass side only

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Post Re: Back and forth from hi bass 4th to standard tuning
I just tuned my 12th string down a whole step to see if I liked it. I did like it and for a while had planned to add a Keith banjo tuner - you know the one with 2 tunable preset stops so I could go back an forth in an instant. However I found that there was no need for that because 99% of the time I could reach both the old note and the new note just by leaving it tuned to a 4th and simply adjusting my finger shapes. At that point I went to a slightly thicker string - a plain .013 for the 12th string. It's a great addition to the bass side and you definitely gain way more than you lose. It works best on a 12 string Grand BTW. I'm not sure about a 10 string because for me it would screw up the 7th tones of chords based off the low G string and put too many things out of reach.


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Tnx

The hi bass 4th obviously relates only to grand stick

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Post Re: Back and forth from hi bass 4th to standard tuning
I only mentioned a 10 string because it's a part of your signature.


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Post Re: Back and forth from hi bass 4th to standard tuning
Hey Boaz.
I've done it and there's no special ops required with regard to setup. The intonation difference is negligible, due to the fact that the majority of your chording will be done lower on the fretboard, so don't fuck with your flaps or saddle.....unless of course you are Tom Griesgraber and bass 4th is your go to......he likes to fine tune the shit out of that thing.

4th bass on the top string is a super powerful tool in my humble opinion,.....Griesgraber as well as Martino really use it to the nth degree.....its a fucking beautiful thing. Watch Rob slap that index down with extreme conviction on that top string when he plays.....
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Post Re: Back and forth from hi bass 4th to standard tuning
So.which string set shoul one order.?
Standard or hi bass 4th?

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Post Re: Back and forth from hi bass 4th to standard tuning
Boaz wrote:
So.which string set shoul one order.?
Standard or hi bass 4th?
Hi Boaz,

If you are using lights or mediums you can tune a high bass 4th up to the 5th, if you have heavies then it would be a lot of tension on that string and wouldn't play as well for tapping.

The other benefit of this is that you can also tune the high bass 4th down to a major or minor 3rd if you like without it getting too floppy.. fun to experiment with this top string...

So order the high bass 4th set. Kevin is correct, no special adjustment to your setup should be necessary.

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Post Re: Back and forth from hi bass 4th to standard tuning
Thank you all
Very helpful

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Post Re: Back and forth from hi bass 4th to standard tuning
I asked Greg about this awhile ago, about taking the standard 5ths 12th string and tuning down to a fourth...and going back and forth and the possibility of breakage. He said it never happened to him. Well, I believed him. (he hasn't steered me wrong yet). I've been messing with it lately, and of course I have to tune back up to 5th for old tunes, and...no breakage. I might add I've owned a Stick since '85 and I've never broken a string. And I've tried LOTS of "alternate" tunings (never more than a step up with gauges at hand) I also have every string I've ever had on these damn things "just in case". I'm finally gonna put them to use I have an Autoharp that needs strings and I'm not paying $90 for new ones. (It's an "experimental" Autoharp. Might need to change the chord bars and "enhance" the onboard p.u. w/ some old Strat p.u.s...)

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Post Re: Back and forth from hi bass 4th to standard tuning
The strings only break, when you have no spare available.....
So order a second string set, never open it, always take it with you -> and you can detune whatever you want :roll:

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