Thanks Konrad, that's really kind of you to say.
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| Author: | Stickrad [ Sat Feb 04, 2017 9:23 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Linear markers as learning tool |
Hi Peeps. Just a little something here. I'm sure some of you have thought about this. It's just another look at the touch board and what I've found that helps me to learn all notes in any given scale. Hope this helps. |
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| Author: | MichNS [ Sun Feb 05, 2017 6:14 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Linear markers as learning tool |
While not quite comparing apples to apples here, this might extend what you are getting at, take what you are playing and go around the cycle of fifths. Doubt I could find the video again, but I happen to come across a "reccomended video for you" through YouTube's system. A bass instructor was advocating that for learning where the notes are on the neck. |
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| Author: | The_Afro_Circus [ Sun Feb 05, 2017 8:36 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Linear markers as learning tool |
Good stuff Konrad. I just talked about something very similar in one of my Tap Theory videos for this month. Please don't spread the video around, as it's usually behind the paywall. I think your insight and this video complement each other nicely to help form a more complete understanding of the fretboard. |
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| Author: | Jayesskerr [ Sun Feb 05, 2017 9:25 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Linear markers as learning tool |
The dots/markers provide a reference point, that's for sure! I swear though, that sight-reading and flash cards have been critical for me to truly get to know the neck (notes, not geometry) I have been pretty obsessed with reading lately, it's all I do pretty much... No shortcuts for me, I am afraid, but the work pays off... |
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| Author: | Stickrad [ Sun Feb 05, 2017 3:40 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Linear markers as learning tool |
Hi Jaye. Jayesskerr wrote: I have been pretty obsessed with reading lately, it's all I do pretty much... No shortcuts for me, I am afraid, but the work pays off... Yep, my feeling/practice is pretty much the same. I've taken very basic piano tutorial books which have been given away on a free stash at the Uni library. This has been great to keep me focussed on the notes only. As grateful as we all are for staff tab, I find that after a while that was actually a hinderance to my being able to read the notes only from piano music for example. The_Afro_Circus wrote: Good stuff Konrad. .....I think your insight and this video complement each other nicely to help form a more complete understanding of the fretboard. Thanks for the reminder on this vid. Just watching again now. 11:00 I love how you've taken the same riff and inverted the intervals simply by virtue of the 4th/5ths relationships. It's like a instant melodic inversion, compositional tool. Mum's the word with the vid share, all the best with your lessons! MichNS wrote: While not quite comparing apples to apples here, this might extend what you are getting at, take what you are playing and go around the cycle of fifths. Definitely my plan Mr. Balogh! I'm actually trying to get it to the point where I can "see" the whole touch board, kinda like what Holdsworth talks about. I'll get there eventually. I think the nature of choices in the left hand 7th shapes is a big one to get across, when gong through the cycle of 4ths/5ths, colouristically as well as for fluency. I trust you're well, me old. I was just going back through Emmett's and Greg's books. Related material happens on pages 8-9 - Emmett, page 3-6 in Greg's. Thanks again Josh, your drive and inspiration make you a great teach, and I know you have already and will continue to push this community forward. Cheers, to All. |
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| Author: | The_Afro_Circus [ Mon Feb 06, 2017 12:01 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Linear markers as learning tool |
Thanks Konrad, that's really kind of you to say.
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| Author: | Scronk [ Wed Feb 08, 2017 4:16 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Linear markers as learning tool |
MichNS wrote: While not quite comparing apples to apples here, this might extend what you are getting at, take what you are playing and go around the cycle of fifths. Doubt I could find the video again, but I happen to come across a "reccomended video for you" through YouTube's system. A bass instructor was advocating that for learning where the notes are on the neck. You might be referring to Scott's Bass Lessons. He has many videos on YouTube and also a website by the same name. This one shows a method to learn all the notes of the neck, by ascending in fourths: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuS5wwr7MjI&t=239 |
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| Author: | Jayesskerr [ Wed Feb 08, 2017 7:59 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Linear markers as learning tool |
The markers are interesting, they happen in 4ths if one goes up the string. That's very handy for single string work, having a reference. It's funny, I never realized how much I rely on the fretboard markers on a guitar before I picked up a Stick. And, on my Sticks, I have dots not linears, which makes things a bit tougher to see, but that's ok. I am making it work... It's actually another aspect of the symmetry of the instrument that is pretty unique I think... Cycle of 4ths is how I personally practice pretty much everything. Always have since school. A cycle of 4ths approach is VERY handy, especially since half the instrument is tuned in 4ths, the other instruments I play are in 4ths, and chord progressions in 4ths is extremely common. I also cycle 5ths and other intervals too, but 4ths is a common transposition interval for me... Autumn Leaves Cmin F7 Bbmaj7 Ebmaj7 Amin7b5 D7 Gmin etc |
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| Author: | AnDroiD [ Wed Feb 08, 2017 10:39 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Linear markers as learning tool |
All my bass teachers taught using cycle of fifths. Don't ask me why, other than the upright books (Simandl sic) must be written that way. Maybe because of the physical amount of territory vs. four strings gets you learning to play in tune faster. So for me the inverse bass in fifths, and "traveling on one string" (plus the chords under my hands for comping) made total sense to me. And the r.h. "over the top" playing was more conducive to my physical attributes. But I digress. The inlays make sense to me. But I still suck on the Stick. |
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| Author: | Jayesskerr [ Wed Feb 08, 2017 11:10 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Linear markers as learning tool |
AnDroiD wrote: All my bass teachers taught using cycle of fifths. Don't ask me why, other than the upright books (Simandl sic) must be written that way. Maybe because of the physical amount of territory vs. four strings gets you learning to play in tune faster. So for me the inverse bass in fifths, and "traveling on one string" (plus the chords under my hands for comping) made total sense to me. And the r.h. "over the top" playing was more conducive to my physical attributes. But I digress. The inlays make sense to me. But I still suck on the Stick. lol No worries, I am nobody and can't play to save my life no matter what approach I take. My instructors were former Berklee School of music alumni Cliff Maddix and Paul Landsberg, among others... both spent a lot of time with Mike Stern, Tuck Andress, Will Leavittt etc etc They really pushed 4ths as far as practice and study for transpositional patterns... On another note I think Paul had John Petrucci, John Myung, and Mike Portnoy in his ear-training classes years ago... . Kind of makes sense if you are a guitarist/bassist does it not? EADGBE Besides, I suppose if one wants to get fussy, a 4th IS a 5th, just inverted. Same thing with 3rds and 6ths, 7ths and 2nds... At some point one needs to study all intervals, no one is 'better' than the other... |
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