|
It is currently Sun Apr 28, 2024 6:26 am
|
View unanswered posts | View active topics
Stick for Heavy Metal / Thrash music?
Author |
Message |
leadbass
Joined: Sun Aug 08, 2010 7:37 pm Posts: 19
|
Re: Stick for Heavy Metal / Thrash music?
I'm pretty sure I have the least experience on the chapman stick, but I think as a fellow metalhead, and since I played bass before i picked up chapman stick, I can help. First, it sounds good distorted, with an overdrive or fuzz, on both sides. On the other hand, I find it hard to play triplets, but that might just be a flaw in my technique. The sound can be pretty aggressive so you can cut through. Greg Howard's stuff can get pretty heavy. The Stickmen come really close to thrash metal, and hopefully, my progressive metal band will take off soon. I for one, dont use it strictly as an erb, but the two handed bass lines do sound pretty cool. peace out
|
Thu Nov 25, 2010 9:40 am |
|
|
varnon
Member
Joined: Tue Jan 01, 2008 7:24 pm Posts: 88
|
Re: Stick for Heavy Metal / Thrash music?
This is the closest stick playing to the kind of music you are describing that I have found.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6rt1XaGmzs[/youtube]
The quality isn't great, and it doesn't address the techniques you are concerned about, there is a less tapping than I would like to see, and the backing track makes things a bit hard to hear clearly... but I think it provides good evidence that, tonally, the chapman stick is pretty capable. If anything it shows the versatility of the instrument.
When I get one I plan to make some noise as well. As much as I love fugues, crab cannons, and weird chord progressions... Sometimes I like power chords and repetitive 16th note.
|
Thu Nov 25, 2010 10:45 am |
|
|
mmagnon
Joined: Mon Apr 13, 2009 2:29 am Posts: 19 Location: TOULOUSE FRANCE
|
Re: Stick for Heavy Metal / Thrash music?
The "bass" player on this band does a lot of cool stuff with a tapping instrument. It's not basic trash metal but it sound great. Bass strings are on the middle so it must be 5th/4th ?.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QT-hl8TM2_Y[/youtube] [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YY8qo3W8EnM[/youtube] [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t80_eFghMdk[/youtube]
|
Thu Nov 25, 2010 11:25 am |
|
|
greg
Multiple Donor
Joined: Sat Dec 22, 2007 3:07 pm Posts: 7088 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia, USA
|
Re: Stick for Heavy Metal / Thrash music?
mmagnon wrote: The "bass" player on this band does a lot of cool stuff with a tapping instrument. It's not basic trash metal but it sound great. Bass strings are on the middle so it must be 5th/4th ?. Thanks for posting these links. Colin is a really talented player (as is the whole band). It's either Classic 5ths and 4th or Matched Reciprocal. Emmett's inverted 5ths tuning is great for all those power chords in the left hand, and for the two-handed bass. Strumming in this tuning is great for any style, more people should give it a try: http://www.stick.com/onlinevideos/zig-zag_balade.htmlhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tM5S-1zOK0UNot at all in the style you're asking about, but this video demonstrates how fast you can get tapping repeated bass notes on The Stick, even down near the nut (where others seem to not want to tap...., it's a mystery.... ) [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rup0ZzEyPmQ[/youtube] RSS: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rup0ZzEyPmQspecifically around 3:50
_________________ Happy tapping, greg Schedule an online Stick lesson
|
Thu Nov 25, 2010 1:07 pm |
|
|
greg
Multiple Donor
Joined: Sat Dec 22, 2007 3:07 pm Posts: 7088 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia, USA
|
Re: Stick for Heavy Metal / Thrash music?
pharaohamps wrote: I was actually considering Dual Bass Reciprocal tuning, since I could start out with a lot of the same patterns and motions I'm currently using on the melody strings. When I get more comfortable with the bass in descending 5ths I could restring the instrument to Deep Matched Reciprocal or similar. Is there a big benefit in having the low string a Bb rather than a B? I won't have much use for Bb as my guitar player can't play that note and a major 7th isn't a popular choice for metal harmony If I go to the 36" scale instrument I can see the value in a low A for pick-up notes to the low B. The dominant is quite useful to me in that regard. How fast can I reasonably expect to play that low B? Right now I use a technique where I "fan" the strings with the first 3 fingers (i,m,a) on my right hand to increase speed and play certain triplet patterns. I don't think I can transfer that over to the Stick. Hi pharoahamps, The benefit to having greater extremes at either end of the tuning (high or low) is that if you tend to play at or near the extreme pitches often, then you have more variety in how you can approach the notes, and more choices for where you can play the notes close to it. For example, you said you used low B a lot in your music. If your low B is the last fret on a string, then that will only have one path to fit into patterns you play around it. If your tuning is a DBR type tuning, then there is a low Bb under it (and also an Eb on string 5, and an F on string 7 which you wouldn't have access to if you had B as the lowest note). So the ways in which you can fit the hand into the patterns are expanded by placing the tuning lower. The same thing happens for the highest notes in the tuning. If you say to yourself, "I never play higher than high C so I'll just use Matched Reciprocal," then whenever you play that C it can only occupy certain kinds of positions in a line, and the notes closest to it, will also only be playable on that same string (B, Bb, A and Ab). Whereas if you had the Classic tuning you would have the A and Ab on the string below as well. It's a subtle point, but one that's definitely worth considering. Plus, you'll have a low Bb you can play (and even a low A you can pluck). While I'm not a bassist by training, I've moved into the role of bassist as a result of my Stick playing, and I love having all of the option s the DBR tuning has to offer in that situation. The speed of the right hand as it reaches over to play the 4ths is phenomenal. for more on this tuning see: http://www.stick.com/articles/howard_dbr/Emmett's adjustable nutHowever you decide to root the tuning, remember that you can always change your mind without having to perform surgery on your Stick because Emmett's nut is easily adjustable. Hope that answers your question.
_________________ Happy tapping, greg Schedule an online Stick lesson
|
Fri Nov 26, 2010 7:09 am |
|
|
bizon
Resident Contributor
Joined: Fri Jan 11, 2008 12:57 pm Posts: 410 Location: NYC
|
Re: Stick for Heavy Metal / Thrash music?
Hi pharaohamps,
I would recommend the CD "Blacktongue" by Laundry. They were a four-piece (not sure that they are together anymore) consisting of Ian Varriale on Stick, Tim Alexander (from Primus) on drums, a guitarist and a singer. Although not thrash, they do some pretty heavy stuff, occasionally in the vein of Tool.
Cheers, James
|
Fri Nov 26, 2010 2:20 pm |
|
|
MichNS
Multiple Donor
Joined: Sat Dec 22, 2007 4:39 am Posts: 1339 Location: Northern Lower Peninsula, Michigan
|
Re: Stick for Heavy Metal / Thrash music?
The heaviest use of a Chapman Stick I've ever heard was a bootleg tape someone played for me of a live Cynic concert, with Sean Malone on Stick. I'm not a "death metal" fan, but that was some really great instrumentals.
_________________ Photography website:http://www.sb.smugmug.com YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/user/MichiganNS Vimeo:Steven Balogh Graphite Grand Stick MR NS Stick Wenge body Wenge neck Bamboo Grand Stickup
|
Fri Nov 26, 2010 8:04 pm |
|
|
Oceans
Artisan Contributor
Joined: Tue Nov 18, 2008 5:54 pm Posts: 734
|
Re: Stick for Heavy Metal / Thrash music?
Greetings,
Just wanted to say that the Stick works very well for extreme metal! It took me some time to figure out how I personally wanted to do it, but now I have lots of fun playing to grindcore type blast beats and progressive black metal too. At first I didn't think I could do repeated single note lines as fast as bass, but after lots of practice its coming along pretty well. Maybe not hyper jaco speed but its still quick. Also, alot of what I like to do in the extreme metal genre is impossible on bass. I think the Stick inspires me to play with a more mental/technical edge. And with prog metal thats a good thing right? Haha, the more twisted and nuts the better! I hate it when bass magazines rave about playing fewer notes, or just play for "the song", we want the mayhem right?!
There are a few 2 handed bass tricks I know that are really easy technically, but sound sorta complex and complicated. The inverted fifths is like magic for creating sick and evil riffs. The way that diminished and augmented scales lay out in symmetrical patterns is brilliant for creating 2 handed bass lines. Then throw in some outside notes and it is just the best.
Dark Hails to thee....
_________________ "The society for the advancement of harmonic abstraction exists" www.youtube.com/oceansinspace
|
Sat Nov 27, 2010 7:19 pm |
|
|
Per Boysen
Elite Contributor
Joined: Wed Oct 14, 2009 8:05 am Posts: 2268 Location: Stockholm/Sweden
|
Re: Stick for Heavy Metal / Thrash music?
Oceans wrote: Haha, the more twisted and nuts the better! I hate it when bass magazines rave about playing fewer notes, or just play for "the song", we want the mayhem right?! Yeah - that's the spirit! This thread has inspired me so much!!! Got my first Grand in February, had to put it down for four months and now I'm back at it with doubled excitement. Yes, the bass side in 5ths is rewarding for coming up with heavy riffs, I just noticed that two days ago
_________________ Cheers / Per Bamboo SG12, Wenge SG12, Bamboo Grand. PASV4 on all. (+ Stickup modded by Emmett 4 the PASV4 blocks). Fractal Audio AxeFx-III, 2 x RCF NX-10 SMA, Apollo Twin USB http://youtube.com/perboysen
|
Sun Nov 28, 2010 11:34 am |
|
|
grozoeil
Site Donor
Joined: Wed Dec 26, 2007 3:49 am Posts: 1666
|
Re: Stick for Heavy Metal / Thrash music?
Oceans wrote: Greetings,
Just wanted to say that the Stick works very well for extreme metal! It took me some time to figure out how I personally wanted to do it, but now I have lots of fun playing to grindcore type blast beats and progressive black metal too. At first I didn't think I could do repeated single note lines as fast as bass, but after lots of practice its coming along pretty well. Maybe not hyper jaco speed but its still quick. Also, alot of what I like to do in the extreme metal genre is impossible on bass. I think the Stick inspires me to play with a more mental/technical edge. And with prog metal thats a good thing right? Haha, the more twisted and nuts the better! I hate it when bass magazines rave about playing fewer notes, or just play for "the song", we want the mayhem right?!
There are a few 2 handed bass tricks I know that are really easy technically, but sound sorta complex and complicated. The inverted fifths is like magic for creating sick and evil riffs. The way that diminished and augmented scales lay out in symmetrical patterns is brilliant for creating 2 handed bass lines. Then throw in some outside notes and it is just the best.
Dark Hails to thee....
Funny you mentioned these types of music, I just began a few days ago to finaly write and record some ideas on my Mac for a new project I've to learn how to growl now
_________________ http://soundcloud.com/ghostlike_ether
|
Sun Nov 28, 2010 11:42 am |
|
|
|
Who is online |
Users browsing this forum: Bing [Bot], DavidWS and 90 guests |
|
You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot post attachments in this forum
|
|