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Post Bass Side Chord Question; Black Orpheus
So, I'm ripping apart "Black orpheus" tonight, and arranging it for the Stick;

There is a change that I do all the time on guitar, and I can sort of "fake" with Stick by simplifying it a bit

| Amin | Bmin7b5 E7b9 | Amin | Bmin7b5 E7b9 |

Now this is fun to play over, cause it's Harmonic minor (ACE BDFA EG#BDF)

But so far, the LH is playing an Amin Triad, then Bdim Triad, and then an E7 chordshape.
I want the full Bmin7b5 and the full E7b9, played by LH; The RH is busy.

Here's the workarounds I have come up with so far;
Bmin7b5 = BDFA so a Dmin triad over B root isn't too bad. Or, play Bdim, and add the F with RH thumb. It's a bit ungainly, but it works...

E7b9 = I just play an E7 and play the b9 (F) tension with the RH Thumb. Again, a wee bit ungainly, but it works.

I can also play arpeggio sequences that use all of the notes, and that's not too bad either.

So yeah, that's what I am doing so far, I look forward to what your guys' solutions are.

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Post Re: Bass Side Chord Question; Black Orpheus
Basic i m7 ii m7b5 V7b9


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Post Re: Bass Side Chord Question; Black Orpheus
i thought i had it-well it least the basic first part

then i saw someone else played it differently ...

and then someone else played it another way

anyhow i guess it all goes around 7th / min 7th chords :)

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Post Re: Bass Side Chord Question; Black Orpheus
Yes, I get that it's "basic".

lol But It's not really an answer to my question, dude... Kind of a statement that makes me wonder why I posted the question in the first place... Ahh well, whatever.

What I was actually asking is this; WHAT if ANY fingerings for Bmin7b5 and an E7b9 are y'all using in the LH only... Since I posted the query, I will try and post my best fingerings...

Bass side tuned in 5ths...

Umm, My best LH Bmin7b5

c-----
g----4 B
d----3 F
a----5 D
e----5 A
b-----

And my best E7b9; uses up all 6 strings, though.

c----4 E
g-----
d----6 G#
a----5 D
e----
b----6 F

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Post Re: Bass Side Chord Question; Black Orpheus
I'm at a rehearsal I'll show you a great voicing that contains the b5 and b9

Give me a couple of hours to get home

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Post Re: Bass Side Chord Question; Black Orpheus
Try these two they are finger twisters but I use them from time to time as basic shapes. The second set is much like yours


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Post Re: Bass Side Chord Question; Black Orpheus
I've been playing this tune since 1987. It's really fun tune. There's a very up-tempo vesion of it on my CD Shapes, not currently in print, with Tim Reynolds on acoustic guitar and Johnyy Gilmore on drums.

I hear that you really wan to play the b5 in the Bmin7b5, but you really don't need it to make the tune work, as long as you're playing it in your melody and solos, and comping chords in the right hand.

As far as the A harmonic minor goes., the tune is a dance between that scale and the A natural minor, tension created by the G# resolving to the G natural. Be careful not to play the harmonic minor except over the ii-V.

I'll post an mp3 of the Shapes version for you to check out, I don't think it's online anywhere...

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Post Re: Bass Side Chord Question; Black Orpheus
I know you're talking about chords and I agree that it's not easy to find new ways to play it. On my side I like to play a walking bass with target notes of each chord. Not necessarily in arpeggio though...no...included in a walking bass pattern. The huge problem is to play this melody in your LH and play the melodic line with your RH. Not easy. Once you master a bass line you can try another line targetting again the right notes but played in a different way...good luck...you are a hard worker on this instrument and I'm sure you can get it.

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If you absolutely play chords you can omit the root on the iim7 and v7 chords. On the iim7 you can start with the b5 (F), which becomes the flat 9 on the v7 chord. This way you have a smooth voices change before going back to your Am7.

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Depending on where I am and what the melody is doing, I'll leave notes out of the bass sides. Generally when I'm playing something that calls for a 7b5 I will either leave out the fifth or the seventh from the bass chord. The missing note will either then be filled in by what the melody is doing or it might just be implied based on the progression you're in the middle of.

So in other words, I either use three fingers to play root-b5-3 or I'll play the classic m7 chord shape (which leaves out the 5th entirely).

I have an arrangement of that tune that I play on occasion. I started off by learning Greg's arrangement but then later on I resurrected the tune when I went on a mission to get better at finger-picking style of playing with accompaniment notes above and below the melody.


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