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This was a lot of fun to read, guys! Thanks for taking a sec to share your thoughts. I really wasn't looking for exact timeframes, or guidelines I was just sort of curious where everyone was at.

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If a song arrangement largely contains techniques you already know, then it goes very quickly. So, whenever I learn a new song, I try to isolate the elements that may be new to me as a player and make exercises out of them.

If I don't do this, then I will just learn "the song" as a series of fingering combinations. But if I break it down this way the song can really teach me something I can use down the road.

The was the entire rationale behind the choices I made for the Greg Howard Songbook. Each tune was chosen specifically because it illustrated a particular technique concept, and each is preceded by one or two exercises that help the player learn that technique before trying to tackle the arrangement.

So even if you don't like my tunes, I heartily recommend it as a method resource.. ;)

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greg wrote:
If a song arrangement largely contains techniques you already know, then it goes very quickly. So, whenever I learn a new song, I try to isolate the elements that may be new to me as a player and make exercises out of them.

If I don't do this, then I will just learn "the song" as a series of fingering combinations. But if I break it down this way the song can really teach me something I can use down the road.

The was the entire rationale behind the choices I made for the Greg Howard Songbook. Each tune was chosen specifically because it illustrated a particular technique concept, and each is preceded by one or two exercises that help the player learn that technique before trying to tackle the arrangement.

So even if you don't like my tunes, I heartily recommend it as a method resource.. ;)



Lol I like your tunes, like 'em lots. I am literally just not good enough to play 'em. Yet.

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Lol I like your tunes, like 'em lots. I am literally just not good enough to play 'em. Yet.


Just play the exercises before each one first. You'll do fine.. ;)

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greg wrote:
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Lol I like your tunes, like 'em lots. I am literally just not good enough to play 'em. Yet.


Just play the exercises before each one first. You'll do fine.. ;)


Coming soon... I bought all of the material, I intend to learn it.

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I just took a Certification in English language teaching course and they've been trying to teach English for a long time now using methods like ppp; presentation, practice, production.

The teacher Presents the word, sentence, phrase or whatever,

then the class mimics it back during the to see if they're using it the right way.

And during the Practice section they have controlled practice where it forces them to use the word in a sentence the right way like a sentence with one of the correct words that you've learned missing and you have to put it in the blank or speak it at the right time in the sentence.

Next they relax the restrictions. Then,

give another exercise where you may or may not choose to use that solution to a communication problem but enough tries to where you probably will use it a few times in those cases.

Finally you spontaneously Produce the language point in completely unstructured conversation.

This comes from a belief that accuracy is more important for language learning than fluency. But it turns out that none of the research supports that proposition.

The people who become good speakers of a language either learn fluency first or they stress it more during language acquisition and most often both.

It made me think of how jazz improvisation is taught and how bogged down many students get. Reminds me of Korean and Thai students studying grammar for ten years and know the grammar waaaay better than you or I ever will, but can't answer a simple question like, "Where are you going?"

Sooooo....... "FLUENCY, baby."

My bass professor, Joel DiBartolo (who used to play on the Tonight Show with Doc Severenson and toured all over with him for 20 years) said if the tune is too fast or if there are too many chords for the tempo, then just play every other measure. It's music. You have freedoms. This isn't nuclear physics. There's no one right way to do itl

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I have found that songs that I like stay with me, and that I am able to use them to express new forms, techniques or as a platform to try new things within a familiar context. It becomes a sort of personal "Standard". I have to choose carefully what I am learning next as I expect to play it for years to come!

My experience with expediting the process to learn a song, just the basics, is to make note of the TIME you spend learning a song. We do this in Project Management and distance running. Set a start date and frequently update your progress. You'll find weeks of work can be compressed into hours of work if you know what you're looking to achieve.

I have attached a few images. Notes really, just creating a marker for my progress to build on. The note on the gavotte has a shout out to Greg lol - he was pressing to try harder. Hugs GH.

It's good to be open to new forms of learning. The best is an in person lesson. That rocks. Lessons, stick gatherings / circles - all good! Watching videos are good - but then it's time to play AND get feedback. That's very valuable if you are playing out.

Having a partner is great, but try not to be too dependent on them for progress.

I have posted a bit on the progress. It's ongoing and monitoring (and celebrating) your success is a great way to build confidence and muscle memory viewtopic.php?f=19&t=7883&start=20&hilit=performance+pyramid

Just a suggestion though! Stickists are like snowflakes, so whatever works for you may not work for others, so long as we have an open mind! Cheers!


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