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greg
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 Re: Tips on finding notes? stickyfingers wrote: Gregs teachings are the most excellent for me,His books are a enormous attribute to learning placement.I also had the opportunity to sit live with Mr. Bob, he said know where the note is before even playing it.If the drill sargent says Eb BAM! Get to it with out hesitation. Thanks much!
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Re: Tips on finding notes? Jayesskerr wrote: I use music flashcards. Pick a string, shuffle the deck, draw a card and go find the note.
It might seem stupid, but it's very fast...  Learning a foreign language, nothing's better than flashcards. NOTHING! This seems no different than making hiragana and katakana flashcards in Japanese class, or the International Phonetic Alphabet (those dictionary symbols to pronounce words) phonetically, when I had to learn that. I used flashcards when I finally learned to read music. stickyfingers wrote: I also had the opportunity to sit live with Mr. Bob, he said know where the note is before even playing it.If the drill sargent says Eb BAM! Get to it without hesitation. That's what sold me. Making flashcards now. Edits to add: Hey, Scott, what do your flashcards look like before i re-invent the wheel?
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paigan0
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Re: Tips on finding notes? For flashcards, I'm thinking of using these two resources: http://simple-not-simpler.com/my_apps/grdl/http://loophole.co/STICK/Or maybe I'm overthinking it. Maybe the string number, then fret number, then the note on the back? So "5 3" (5th string, 3rd fret) would have "G" on the back of it? Easy enough.
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Jayesskerr
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Re: Tips on finding notes? I was gonna make some, but the local music store had a bunch of piano ones. One deck cost 2 bucks! Treble clef ones at the moment, 'cause it's melody side I am working at the moment;
Yeah, flashcards work, they just do...
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Re: Tips on finding notes? Great exercise coming next lesson Scott
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Re: Tips on finding notes? Awesome!
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Jayesskerr
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Re: Tips on finding notes? paigan0 wrote: Jayesskerr wrote: I use music flashcards. Pick a string, shuffle the deck, draw a card and go find the note.
It might seem stupid, but it's very fast... Learning a foreign language, nothing's better than flashcards. NOTHING! This seems no different than making hiragana and katakana flashcards in Japanese class, or the International Phonetic Alphabet (those dictionary symbols to pronounce words) phonetically, when I had to learn that. I used flashcards when I finally learned to read music. stickyfingers wrote: I also had the opportunity to sit live with Mr. Bob, he said know where the note is before even playing it.If the drill sargent says Eb BAM! Get to it without hesitation. That's what sold me. Making flashcards now. Edits to add: Hey, Scott, what do your flashcards look like before i re-invent the wheel? I do find though that although fretboard knowledge is moving along quite nicely, I have to augment my practice with a lot of transposition... Kind of like a giant mosaic that is slowly filling in piece by piece... And I have to sort of shake things up every week, you know... constantly modifying. Also, I am mostly preoccupied with the melody side of the Stick. And on The Bass side, its the A&D strings mostly. For the moment. I'm taking this thing apart bit by bit by very small degrees... lol
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Re: Tips on finding notes? Flashcards.., classic!!
Keeping things fun while you're learning is important. Emmett talks about the F or the G position, coming from the low bass string, which mirrors my early learning of the touch board. I was just getting comfortable with 3 different places for middle C and fav G on the 5th string , 13th fret.
It seems I've learnt the bass side as Bob C's alphabet, then once that was down, I gradually moved further up the bass strings past the 7th fret. I would imagine this is a pretty standard experience for many folk. Practicing unison RH & LH scales is good for note recognition.
Mirroring what other folk have said, when I say learn to visualise the notes on the touch board. Just start with middle C anywhere and go up and down form C-G-C. you can teach yourself relative pitch at the same time. Test yourself out by going back to middle C and sing it a few times a day. All good fun.
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Re: Tips on finding notes? This is a great thread, all good input to an issue I need to spend more time on myself. Problem is, the more time I spend playing and reading all this stuff, the more I realise there is to know, its endless, but that's great ( insert happy smiling face here ). This thread alone demonstrates that many, often with varying approaches can contribute and co-exist to help others, because mostly there is no correct or " right " answer in the art of Music, just the art as the end result ultimately. 
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Jayesskerr
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Re: Tips on finding notes? Gusset wrote: Not taking away from anyone else's suggestions; one must learn the relationships and how the fret board is organized...octaves, fifths, chord arpeggios, etc.
However in answer to your question of "finding notes quicker", I suggest sight reading exercises. I use sightreadingfactory.com; no nonsense, configurable, not just a random shotgun blast of notes (they use algorithms that force a certain element of musicality), a different exercise every time, and I don't have to waste time looking for pre-published exercises in a book or something. Well worth the $35 yearly fee.
Until recently I limited myself to the bass side, frets 9 and below. I can't truly sight read a piece at speed unless it's pretty simple, but 10 minutes a day for a couple of months moved me beyond constantly needing to Friggin' BEADGooC my way around. Plus, as I think Stickrad noted once on this forum, it brings the bonus of making you better at playing without having to look at the instrument constantly.
It's a big fret board with multiple places to play most notes, and that complicates things, but sight reading exercises definitely work. Sight-reading is definitely a part of the big picture... I think that the idea of music being a language of sorts has a lot of implications. I mean, how did we learn to speak, read and write as children? Essentially, that is the objective on this (or any) instrument... Lol Friggin' Beadgooc gave me a bit of a lightbulb moment last night. Combined with position based reading, and flashcard attacks, it gave me a recurring pattern that is easy to remember that functions as a sort of "home base" reference point. Another fun thing I like to do is create a bassline loop, and then improvise/solo over it a bit as a warmup. A different key every day. I gotta say, my fretboard knowledge is better now than it was a month ago, and it will be better still a month from now... Fun stuff.
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