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Author:  samuraifingers [ Tue Jun 19, 2018 9:02 am ]
Post subject:  Tapping Techniques for non-Stick
So I thought this would be a cool place to share this.

This is Don Lappin, one of my professors from Berklee.
His Two Handed Tapping Method is a fantastic approach for guitarists looking for a legato style of playing guitar. But I've been especially interested in applying these to stick, one day when I eventually get one...specifically for solo sections over loops or with a band.

Anyway - thought some people here might get a kick out of it and even appreciate the approach!

Best,
Nick
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhmKYuKZfE8
Author:  JRJ [ Tue Jun 19, 2018 10:13 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Tapping Techniques for non-Stick
This guy is great, very inspiring. No doubt he puts a lot of us to shame, but hey, he's a professor
at Berkeley 8-)("Berklee" :roll: ) I think that a lot of fellow Stickist will want to give a shout out
to Stanley Jordan simply because this is a guitar and not a Stick but to me everything he
is playing is right out of the Tony Levin hand book for the bass side of the Stick. Don Lappin
is much more fluid though, imo, and in this solo is slightly reminiscent of Allan Holdsworth :|.

I checked out more of his videos, if one is into tap guitar this guy is kicking butt :twisted:.

*j*
.~
jRj
Author:  samuraifingers [ Tue Jun 19, 2018 10:16 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Tapping Techniques for non-Stick
JRJ wrote:
This guy is great, very inspiring. No doubt he puts a lot of us to shame, but hey, he's a professor
at Berkeley 8-)("Berklee" :roll: ) I think that a lot of fellow Stickist will want to give a shout out
to Stanley Jordan simply because this is a guitar and not a Stick but to me everything he
is playing is right out of the Tony Levin hand book for the bass side of the Stick. Don Lappin
is much more fluid though, imo, and in this solo is slightly reminiscent of Allan Holdsworth :|.

I checked out more of his videos, if one is into tap guitar this guy is kicking butt :twisted:.

*j*
.~
jRj


Yes- Berklee is the correct spelling. Berklee College of Music is in Boston Mass.
University of California Berkeley is out west.
Author:  The_Afro_Circus [ Tue Jun 19, 2018 10:57 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Tapping Techniques for non-Stick
This guy rips! That looks analagous to half crossed technique, where both hands are playing on a single side of the Stick.
Author:  gpoorman [ Tue Jun 19, 2018 11:38 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Tapping Techniques for non-Stick
This is great stuff! It's stuff that, in my opinion, we don't cover nearly enough in various workshops, discussions, etc.

If you're playing in a band and want to do more than hold down the low end or you're playing over loops, getting good at this can really open up a lot of possibilities.

Michael Bernier does really well here. It's a different beast than two handed bass and it's what led Tony Levin to seek out Michael in the first place for some pointers.

This was also historically where Trey Gunn excelled.
Author:  JRJ [ Tue Jun 19, 2018 4:57 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Tapping Techniques for non-Stick
Quote:
Yes- Berklee is the correct spelling. Berklee College of Music is in Boston Mass.
University of California Berkeley is out west.


I guess that means I am from the west coast, my mistake :|. Thanks for posting this though.
I was just playing with the rolling eyes; i figured you should know how to spell the name of your own school and it turns out that you do :oops:. I like that particular spelling because
'Ber-Klee' I see it as an inference to Paul Klee and as he would certainly agree creative
music and the world of abstraction in visual image making are closely related.

But back to the post; there is really something here in this technique that is important to our community;

Quote:
The_Afro_Circus wrote
"That looks analogous to half crossed technique"


Exactly that. :idea: :idea: Little light bulbs in my head. Composing with this in mind as
something like an etude.

.~
jRj
Author:  paigan0 [ Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:01 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Tapping Techniques for non-Stick

This is cool, and the guy can shred. The two-handed technique he uses is actually very similar to how I play on Sticks with both hands on one side of the Stick, and then the other, handling the lower and upper fretboards between them (but he plays it at 6X speed), although that frenetic shreddy scalar fest is not my style. I agree with Brett before he deleted it that there's not a lot going on here harmonically. Well, maybe, I'd say there's not a lot going on melodically at all in his shredding. I love a good wankfest shred out as much as the next dude, but I want it in service of a theme and a riff, and a groove.

But two hands on each side is how I play when I record. And he can rock it out at a very fast speed. I like fast guitar but I want a little more melody and riff with my bombast. That's strictly a critique of his writing and not meant to be on his playing technique. And it's good stuff--just not my tea.
Author:  Brett Bottomley [ Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:31 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Tapping Techniques for non-Stick
I deleted my post because “who am I to tell people how to play?”

But here is my basic point, I love posts like this which attempt to stretch what can be done on the Stick. I think there is a world of concepts not yet reached in the tapping world. I just think we should all be open and strive to be better. What “better” “is” is of course subjective and personal.

I don’t listen to a lot of “stick” music (mostly Greg’s stuff) (and tony levin) a lot of that is taste, but some of it is a lack of having GREAT players in certain genres.

I listen to Emmett’s “parallel Galaxy” and I hear harmonic concepts which I haven’t heard repeated.....how long ago was that? We are all trying and everyone is an artist so please don’t take this wrong I include myself. I just want to keep pushing the envelope.

That’s all I’m no wordsmith so I hope I’ve cone close to making my point without insulting anyone.

The post just made me think
Brett
Author:  paigan0 [ Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:05 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Tapping Techniques for non-Stick
Brett Bottomley wrote:
I deleted my post because “who am I to tell people how to play?”

But here is my basic point, I love posts like this which attempt to stretch what can be done on the Stick. I think there is a world of concepts not yet reached in the tapping world. I just think we should all be open and strive to be better. What “better” “is” is of course subjective and personal.

I don’t listen to a lot of “stick” music (mostly Greg’s stuff) (and tony levin) a lot of that is taste, but some of it is a lack of having GREAT players in certain genres.

I listen to Emmett’s “parallel Galaxy” and I hear harmonic concepts which I haven’t heard repeated.....how long ago was that? We are all trying and everyone is an artist so please don’t take this wrong I include myself. I just want to keep pushing the envelope.

That’s all I’m no wordsmith so I hope I’ve cone close to making my point without insulting anyone.

The post just made me think
Brett

I thought your other post was fine, Brett, and this one is a good one also. I actually agreed with the first one--but even if I hadn't, it was thoughtful and made me think about the piece a little more. And showing examples from piano is more than fair game--there's very few musical lessons to be learned on piano that don't translate well and easily to Stick, in my opinion. Although Stick has bends, and more expressive capability in shaping the sound of the note than piano. Harmonically, they are a very apt comparison.

I also see how it's a good thing to keep an open mind to new ideas, and even if some of those new ideas came around decades ago and still haven't permeated into other people's writing.

I personally enjoyed seeing this guy "validate" a method of playing that I quickly gravitated to on the Stick. You gain fluency, speed, and the ability to kick it up to 8 fingers, or four fingers spread out further than one hand alone can spread fingers. But you lose the ability to play both bass and melody at the same time, without looping or laying down tracks.

I used to feel "guilty" about not playing Stick "correctly," but I lost my chip on my shoulder about it, and now see that there is much to learn and gain from Two Hands crossed over, half crossed, two hands on one side, or whatever. Boris gets them thumbs in there and plays 10-finger tapping. Same opinion for me on the 3-or-4 (or 5!) finger strategies and styles. Switching tunings between 4ths and 5ths and a mixture of the two has also been eye-opening to me on the different ways of doing things. I'm no one's teacher and no one's student, so whatever I figure out for myself is just fine.

I'm probably always going to be doing my own thing, a bit differently, and it might work for others and it might just be bad habits! But this video was inspiring in both its validation and its potential of the two-handed techniques. I'll have to post my own version, and hopefully do the same-ish thing but with more melody. I also enjoyed the piano piece you posted earlier:

Brett Bottomley wrote:
Check out Brad at about 2:48 in video.

https://youtu.be/Wd-tFAVieL8
Author:  Brett Bottomley [ Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:30 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Tapping Techniques for non-Stick
Mehldau slays me such a genius
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